Comments on: Curbed SF on Geary BRT http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/ A transit riders' association for San Francisco Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Electricrailwaygod http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-6640 Electricrailwaygod Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:41:00 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-6640 PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the "A" "B" "C" and "D" lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60's (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970's), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason -- it's DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental -- and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet's resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental "alternative" fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let's instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco -- PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the “A” “B” “C” and “D” lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60′s (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970′s), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason — it’s DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental — and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet’s resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental “alternative” fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let’s instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco — PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n

]]> By: Electricrailwaygod http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-6678 Electricrailwaygod Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:41:00 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-6678 PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the "A" "B" "C" and "D" lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60's (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970's), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason -- it's DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental -- and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet's resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental "alternative" fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let's instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco -- PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the “A” “B” “C” and “D” lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60′s (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970′s), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason — it’s DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental — and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet’s resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental “alternative” fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let’s instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco — PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n

]]> By: Electricrailwaygod http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-6941 Electricrailwaygod Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:41:00 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-6941 PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the "A" "B" "C" and "D" lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60's (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970's), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason -- it's DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental -- and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet's resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental "alternative" fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let's instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco -- PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the “A” “B” “C” and “D” lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60′s (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970′s), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason — it’s DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental — and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet’s resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental “alternative” fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let’s instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco — PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n

]]> By: Electricrailwaygod http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-7074 Electricrailwaygod Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:41:00 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-7074 PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the "A" "B" "C" and "D" lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60's (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970's), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason -- it's DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental -- and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet's resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental "alternative" fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let's instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco -- PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the “A” “B” “C” and “D” lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60′s (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970′s), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason — it’s DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental — and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet’s resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental “alternative” fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let’s instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco — PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n

]]> By: Electricrailwaygod http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-7448 Electricrailwaygod Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:41:00 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-7448 PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the "A" "B" "C" and "D" lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60's (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970's), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason -- it's DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental -- and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet's resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental "alternative" fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let's instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco -- PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the “A” “B” “C” and “D” lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60′s (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970′s), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason — it’s DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental — and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet’s resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental “alternative” fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let’s instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco — PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n

]]> By: Electricrailwaygod http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-7682 Electricrailwaygod Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:41:00 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-7682 PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the "A" "B" "C" and "D" lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60's (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970's), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason -- it's DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental -- and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet's resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental "alternative" fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let's instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco -- PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the “A” “B” “C” and “D” lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60′s (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970′s), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason — it’s DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental — and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet’s resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental “alternative” fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let’s instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco — PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n

]]> By: Electricrailwaygod http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-7683 Electricrailwaygod Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:41:00 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-7683 PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the "A" "B" "C" and "D" lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60's (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970's), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason -- it's DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental -- and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet's resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental "alternative" fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let's instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco -- PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the “A” “B” “C” and “D” lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60′s (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970′s), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason — it’s DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental — and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet’s resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental “alternative” fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let’s instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco — PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n

]]> By: Electricrailwaygod http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-7684 Electricrailwaygod Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:41:00 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-7684 PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the "A" "B" "C" and "D" lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60's (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970's), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason -- it's DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental -- and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet's resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental "alternative" fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let's instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco -- PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n PLEASE GO ELECTRIC!!! Geary Blvd is a major arterial and corridor leading into the Richmond District of San Francisco! bETWEEN 1912 AND 1958 it had clean effecient and environmentally friendly ELECTRIC trams (the “A” “B” “C” and “D” lines), in fact to what I understand it may have been the first electric tram line of United Railroads, the precursor to the Municipal Railway of San Francisco hence (MUNI).nnUnder the then influence of General Motors and the National City Lines Scandal that prevaled during the time between the early part of the previous century and the early 60′s (and in some cases even up into the very early 1970′s), Geary Boulevard was de-electrified with wires torn down and track torn up.nnSince then, there has never been any form of electrification on Geary whatsoever! Again, I am adamately absolutely and vehemently OPPOSED to this so-called Transit Bus Corridor Project for one important major reason — it’s DIESEL! Apparently, ABSOLUTELY NO ELECTRIFICATION HAS EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED in the planning of this project!nnWe were promised light rail out here on Geary Boulevard with ELECTRIC trams (light rail)! I am so blighted disgusted, and disappointed that this present busway indoctrination seems to be coming right out of the old National City Lines propaganda!nnDiesel is definitely NOT necessarily more effecient than electricity (bio-diesel inclusive), never has and never shall! This sell for a glorified DIESEL busway on Geary is self-defeating and very unenvironmental — and actually in the long term MORE expensive!nnLet’s resolve to keep the promises to the residents and commercial enterprises here in the Richmond District by keeping to the long overdue promises of clean efficient quiet ELECTRIC light rail! (Even if one should decide to go the bus route, then at least consider articulated TROLLEY busses)!nnTrue that the INITIAL expense is more than that quick unenvironmental “alternative” fix, hence more diesel pollution both noise and environmental wise. But in the LONG TERM electrification pays more than TRIPLE (that is 3X) the costs than running fossil fuel transport. This has been proven world wide for over a century! Electrification is indeed nothing new, it began during the last part of the ninteenth century and with todays technology it genuinely has proven itself both in terms of enviroment and COSTS! Just turn to Europe, Japan, China and other parts of the world to verify just what I am arguing here!nnPLEASE put the emergency brakes on this rhetoric nonsense of some diesel busway as that is deceptive and misleading to the general public at large! Let’s instead honour and respect the promises that have been made in the recent past. With electrification of the non-corridor routes such as the #1, 5, and 31 trolleybus routes, there is no excuse as not to electrify what IS the major and most important corridor (other than Mission Sreet) of San Francisco — PLEASE ELECTRIFY! NOW!nnThanks a million for your attentiveness! n

]]> By: Don http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-4134 Don Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:57:51 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-4134 David: See the Census Bureau website to download SF census tract data. Boris: I did not say more cars=more transit use. I said there was no evidence that more cars harm transit use. "More cars harm transit" was a Rescue Muni anti Prop H argument. I suspect that if one were to factor in population and housing density any correlation between auto density and transit use one way or the other would disappear. The main point is that being pro auto is not the same as being anti transit (that is how Rescue Muni interpreted Prop H). Further, being anti auto to improve public transit is the wrong strategy. Automobiles subsidize public transit. BTW I am fully aware that correlation does not equal causation. David: See the Census Bureau website to download SF census tract data.

Boris: I did not say more cars=more transit use. I said there was no evidence that more cars harm transit use. “More cars harm transit” was a Rescue Muni anti Prop H argument. I suspect that if one were to factor in population and housing density any correlation between auto density and transit use one way or the other would disappear.

The main point is that being pro auto is not the same as being anti transit (that is how Rescue Muni interpreted Prop H). Further, being anti auto to improve public transit is the wrong strategy. Automobiles subsidize public transit.

BTW I am fully aware that correlation does not equal causation.

]]> By: Boris http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-4118 Boris Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:31:00 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/12/curbed-sf-on-geary-brt/#comment-4118 "There is no evidence that more cars harm public transit use. In SF census tracts there is a positive correlation between vehicle density (the number of cars per square mile) and the percent of people who use public transit to get to work. Many people own cars and take public transit." Don, you're right that there is correlation, but there's certainly no evidence of causation. The neighborhoods in SF that have lower rates of vehicle density also happen to be neighborhoods where walk-commuting is extremely high, thus eating into transit use - but you can hardly call that a negative or claim that that somehow validates the argument that more cars = more transit use. If you expand your area of data to the entire Bay Area or even just the inner Bay Area, your entire correlation loop falls apart (and actually reverses itself). “There is no evidence that more cars harm public transit use. In SF census tracts there is a positive correlation between vehicle density (the number of cars per square mile) and the percent of people who use public transit to get to work. Many people own cars and take public transit.”

Don, you’re right that there is correlation, but there’s certainly no evidence of causation. The neighborhoods in SF that have lower rates of vehicle density also happen to be neighborhoods where walk-commuting is extremely high, thus eating into transit use – but you can hardly call that a negative or claim that that somehow validates the argument that more cars = more transit use.

If you expand your area of data to the entire Bay Area or even just the inner Bay Area, your entire correlation loop falls apart (and actually reverses itself).

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