Comments on: Fed’s funding boosts fare gate upgrade project http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/19/feds-funding-boosts-fare-gate-upgrade-project/ A transit riders' association for San Francisco Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: crzwdjk http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/19/feds-funding-boosts-fare-gate-upgrade-project/#comment-4220 crzwdjk Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:56:23 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/19/feds-funding-boosts-fare-gate-upgrade-project/#comment-4220 London does not have turnstiles at every station, only at the central ones. Many suburban stations have open access to the platforms, and some mainline rail stations have faregates, while most do not. Same goes for the RER in Paris. In Boston and Philadelphia (which have subway-surface systems very much like the Muni Metro), the underground stations have turnstiles, and the above-ground stations have bus style pay-as-you-board, although Boston seems to be moving in the direction of a more POP-like system. London does not have turnstiles at every station, only at the central ones. Many suburban stations have open access to the platforms, and some mainline rail stations have faregates, while most do not. Same goes for the RER in Paris. In Boston and Philadelphia (which have subway-surface systems very much like the Muni Metro), the underground stations have turnstiles, and the above-ground stations have bus style pay-as-you-board, although Boston seems to be moving in the direction of a more POP-like system.

]]> By: rdinsf http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/19/feds-funding-boosts-fare-gate-upgrade-project/#comment-4194 rdinsf Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:20:06 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/19/feds-funding-boosts-fare-gate-upgrade-project/#comment-4194 But, in my experience underground/elevated rail systems have proof of payment or turnstiles, not both. For example, Vancouver, B.C. and Berlin have proof of payment and not turnstiles. Paris, London, New York have turnstiles but no proof of payment. But, in my experience underground/elevated rail systems have proof of payment or turnstiles, not both.

For example, Vancouver, B.C. and Berlin have proof of payment and not turnstiles. Paris, London, New York have turnstiles but no proof of payment.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/19/feds-funding-boosts-fare-gate-upgrade-project/#comment-4186 Andrew Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:24:46 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/19/feds-funding-boosts-fare-gate-upgrade-project/#comment-4186 Also the faregates are better at keeping obvious non-payers out. Also the faregates are better at keeping obvious non-payers out.

]]> By: markballew http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/19/feds-funding-boosts-fare-gate-upgrade-project/#comment-4185 markballew Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:47:32 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/19/feds-funding-boosts-fare-gate-upgrade-project/#comment-4185 I imagine the gates are still required for passengers to pay with some sort of single fare media, probably magstripe paper similar to the Madrid Metro. There's a demo unit from San Diego being shown today at Van Ness station, see the article for details when that will be shown. I imagine the gates are still required for passengers to pay with some sort of single fare media, probably magstripe paper similar to the Madrid Metro. There’s a demo unit from San Diego being shown today at Van Ness station, see the article for details when that will be shown.

]]> By: rdinsf http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/19/feds-funding-boosts-fare-gate-upgrade-project/#comment-4183 rdinsf Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:50:51 +0000 http://www.rescuemuni.org/2009/08/19/feds-funding-boosts-fare-gate-upgrade-project/#comment-4183 Given that the underground is a "proof of payment" area, why spend all that money on turnstiles? A post where you tag a card has got to be much cheaper than a turnstile (as they have on GG Transit)? Given that the underground is a “proof of payment” area, why spend all that money on turnstiles? A post where you tag a card has got to be much cheaper than a turnstile (as they have on GG Transit)?

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